against us. same thing for the democrats. that's what we need to get back to. we need something in the nature, norah, of a grand bargain, along the lines of the simpson bowles proposal, something that has everything on the table and that cuts spending and increases revenue. and we've got to do it. the country is in extraordinarily bad shape economically. >> secretary baker, do you believe that the republicans should be willing to concede on the question of raising the rates on the wealthy? >> i don't think they should be willing to concede on that any more than the democrats should be willing to concede before the discussions began on cutting entitlements. but all of that has got to be on the table. that's what ought to be part of the bargain. and there ought to be a rule when they start negotiating that nothing is decided until everything is decided. you don't have piecemeal concessions. it all ought to be part of one big package. by the way, the debt limit ought to be part of that negotiation a